i have just a momment...replacing alternator on our jeep..... i saw one of the elders that recomended i da myself in '02 in parking lot....fairly long conversation....it ended like this:.
i commented that if he "really had the truth" he would just stop by, we would enter into some discussions and he would prove me wrong.
however, i told him, in my heart i know in your heart that you kinow i would prove the wt in error and you fear me because of it.
This was the same Elder to whom I said the Apostal and Older Men in Jeruselem did NOT have international oversight in the first century....he said the next day: "What if you are right....does it really change anything??" (five years ago)
In the word used by kids, now:
DAH......
Off to the Jeep repair....
V
i have just a momment...replacing alternator on our jeep..... i saw one of the elders that recomended i da myself in '02 in parking lot....fairly long conversation....it ended like this:.
i commented that if he "really had the truth" he would just stop by, we would enter into some discussions and he would prove me wrong.
however, i told him, in my heart i know in your heart that you kinow i would prove the wt in error and you fear me because of it.
To All,
I have just a momment...replacing alternator on our Jeep....
I saw one of the Elders that recomended I DA myself in '02 in parking lot....fairly long conversation....it ended like this:
I commented that if he "really had the Truth" he would just stop by, we would enter into some discussions and he would prove me wrong. However, I told him, in my heart I know in your heart that you kinow I would prove the WT in error and you fear me because of it. It is your fear that keeps us from a discussion.
There was a lot more...I might post that later.
The JW Elders, I told my daughter, yesterday, must submit to two spiritual surgeries:
First, they must submit to castration.
And, second, a lo-bot-a-mee....flat lined from that time forward, yet, still breathing.
And, I respected the opinion of these little boys with thier adult masks on???
Funny, huh.......
Yours,
V
i have been absent from the baord for some months: .
father in law went into hospice and died.. mother, after a five month illness, died.. chaos financially.. started college, made dean's list in the midst of all this disaster.. obtained substitue teacher's certificate from state of mo.
and have began to sub-teach.. i want to apoligize: i did not send out my christmas cards: they are still on the shelf ready to mail...overwhelmed....hope everyone will forgive me.. i have logged on to the board, now and then, and appreciate the discussions.. my son bought me a 07 kawasaki vulcun.....nice ride...... i, also, promised my wife....signed a contract.....to reduce ex-jw activity: i am out of that contract now, however, will continue to be a bit "reserved" in my activities..... if anyone is in sw mo and wants to share a cup of coffee....stop by...give me a week's notice.... wishing you all the best, .
To All that have responded:
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words.
I have been going through something of a personality adjustment....change....my college counsler said my "periphial vision" was improving....not so much tunnel vision.
I thought her comment made sense in an ex-JW situation: we had/have such narrow vision: blinders were on so long. It caused/is causing us to miss a lot of information and opportunitites....especiallly those of us that are older....I turned 53 on the eleventh of April.....
I hope to post now and then....
Take care, everyone..
V
never thought i would see the day when the catholic church would make the wts look bad.
i wonder if the wts will come out with something similar, apologizing.
sike!
Summer,
Can you name a "non-man made religion?"
V
i have been absent from the baord for some months: .
father in law went into hospice and died.. mother, after a five month illness, died.. chaos financially.. started college, made dean's list in the midst of all this disaster.. obtained substitue teacher's certificate from state of mo.
and have began to sub-teach.. i want to apoligize: i did not send out my christmas cards: they are still on the shelf ready to mail...overwhelmed....hope everyone will forgive me.. i have logged on to the board, now and then, and appreciate the discussions.. my son bought me a 07 kawasaki vulcun.....nice ride...... i, also, promised my wife....signed a contract.....to reduce ex-jw activity: i am out of that contract now, however, will continue to be a bit "reserved" in my activities..... if anyone is in sw mo and wants to share a cup of coffee....stop by...give me a week's notice.... wishing you all the best, .
To All,
I have been absent from the baord for some months:
Father in Law went into hospice and died.
Mother, after a five month illness, died.
Chaos financially.
Started college, made dean's list in the midst of all this disaster.
Obtained substitue teacher's certificate from State of Mo. and have began to sub-teach.
I want to apoligize: I did not send out my Christmas cards: they are still on the shelf ready to mail...overwhelmed....hope everyone will forgive me.
I have logged on to the board, now and then, and appreciate the discussions.
My son bought me a 07 Kawasaki Vulcun.....nice ride.....
I, also, promised my wife....signed a contract.....to reduce ex-JW activity: I am out of that contract now, however, will continue to be a bit "reserved" in my activities....
If anyone is in SW MO and wants to share a cup of coffee....stop by...give me a week's notice...
Wishing you all the best,
V
a lot of exjws need an answer to "where else to go?
" and some people seem to need to belong to an organization.
doing some research on answers.yahoo.com i noticed that both jws and mormons come in for a lot of criticism for being manipulative cults.
Oz,
Blind response?
Hardly blind....it was an observation of one family group...the comment delt more with the cousins than the SDA...
The SDA as with the Witnessess and every other sect that deal with a "sola scriptura" foundation are, in my opinion, in error. They contain damaging ideas in regard to Salvation.
I would, based on my study and experience, not term the SDA a "cult" however, they are border line..the JWs are fully cult along with the Mormans.
With you in this Journey....despite the slightly "tart" comment of yours, above....
V
a lot of exjws need an answer to "where else to go?
" and some people seem to need to belong to an organization.
doing some research on answers.yahoo.com i noticed that both jws and mormons come in for a lot of criticism for being manipulative cults.
My wife's aunt and her kids are SDA....really great people....very kind....
Is the SDA "better" than the JW's?
Terminal jock itch is "better" than the JW's.....
V
i have just finished reading the book of romans and i have a question ?
a person cannot please god unless he is controlled by the spirit.
(rom 8:8,9) nor can he put to death the misdeeds of the body except by the spirit (rom 8:13) the next verse (v14) then tells us that all who are led by gods spirit are gods sons.in fact they are adopted as his children.however,according to the wts , these verses only apply to the annointed.so,my question is this.if only the annointed are led by gods spirit,whose spirit leads the "other sheep" ?
Romans 8, Galations 1, and the end of Math 12...last two verses, were all comforting to me post exit....
Keep studying...it will happen.....
Yours in this Journey,
V
i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.
while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).
a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.
Hey guys,
Did anyone know Joe and Sally Brazel...they worked at the farm...Joe was a butcher.....thier son "Chip" was up there and they followed....late sixties...early seventies...Joe studied with my folks, Sally with us kids....
V
i'd like you all to tell me 2 or 3 things:.
1- were you raised a witness or not?.
2-if you were, was your family very "theocratic" or not so much?.
Yes
No
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